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As we wait yet another day for the Supreme Court to decide what they are going to do with Obamacare / PPACA, I thought I'd second the views on the individual mandate that were stated in this thread. I'd excerpt it, but the whole thing is golden:

No one will wake up tomorrow with an unscheduled million dollar emergency that only a refrigerator full of broccoli might solve. Nor can they go to a restaurant and demand, and recieve, free broccoli. And if everyone was required to buy broccoli, they'd still need insurance. They might be healthier, but all of the problems caused by large numbers of uninsured would still exist. The argument that health insurance is no different than broccoli, tomatoes, potatoes, cars or movie tickets is belied by the realities of the US healthcare market compared to other countries. One of these things is not like the others.

Now, setting aside all of that, the major reason why requiring the purchase of insurance is different than buying broccoli is because the former is necessary and proper for carrying out the regulation of interstate commerce, specifically the health insurance industry. The latter is not. Congress wants insurance companies to sell to those with pre-existing conditions, and Congress can write regulations requiring just that. But that won't work unless everyone (or nearly everyone) has insurance. The mandate is incidental to regulating the insurance industry. By contrast, there is no "insurance death spiral" caused by a lack of a broccoli mandate.

FWIW, I also think that if Congress had called it the "guaranteed issue and emergency room admittance fee," this conversation probably wouldn't exist.

Date: 2012-06-25 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
Hence Single Payer being the ONLY sane way to run a healthcare system in the 21st century.

What astounds me is that the GOP are now ready and willing to eat their own young just to get Obama. There's a part of me interested in seeing how this plays out to its logical conclusion when they take power and can't actually run the country.

OTOH, I wouldn't want to actually live through it.

Then again, I have multiple options to live in so I'm in slightly better shape than most.

Date: 2012-06-25 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chris-gerrib.livejournal.com
One of the things I've noticed about extremists in a democracy - once they actually get power they get much less extreme. Those potholes don't fill themselves, you know.

In this particular case, nobody likes Republican policy when applied to themselves. Start kicking people off insurance because of pre-existing conditions and you'll see the Republicans sing a different tune.

Date: 2012-06-25 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
I've heard a couple of Democratic strategists literally licking their lips at the prospect that the Mandate (which they didn't like either) being kicked out. Because then they can rush in a line by line public vote on the provisions and get the Republicans on the record voting out the popular stuff...

As they say, be careful of what you wish for.

That said, this iteration of the GOP seems to be operating in the fringes of what actually is sane. When GWB seems like a sensible choice then you have problems.

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