Private Mars Rocket II

Another thing that's rather amusing me about a lot of the narrative from the 'conservative' side is that the idea of respect being earned and not automatically getting what you want is something they blame the liberals for.

Ironic really.

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Regarding respect--over at Making Light, someone noted that respect can mean "treat as an authority" or it can mean "treat as a person." People who are used to being treated as an authority are upset when they're only treated as a person, and often try to retaliate by refusing to treat the offender like a fellow person.

Regarding conservatives--actually there's a good set of pieces on this: conservatives have been a strain in SF for a very long time. There are four companion pieces: I linked them here at my LJ last year (http://catsittingstill.livejournal.com/311367.html)

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I've been reading Larry Correia's latest screed on this and about how badly he was treated at his first Worldcon and honestly, I think you're on to something here.

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Please note that it isn't my idea! I only read it, admired it, and thought to pass it on.

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Given that its now clear Larry Correia lied about his experiences in Reno, obviously for effect, I come back to the core issue.

He didn't want to go to Worldcon as an attendee who wasn't up for a Hugo.

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Exaggerated seems likely to me, but lied about his experiences in Reno? I am unaware there is any reason to believe this. Do you have a link handy?

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so Larry's at-the-time con report is here: http://monsterhunternation.com/2011/08/23/worldcon-report/

Now Larry's current posts are all "Worldcon was mean to me!"

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Apparently he was trying to 'play it cool' but now he's evolved.

Funny thing. In this context, I would have thought 'evolving' would be ignoring Worldcon and Worldcon fans and roll around on a bed of $100s reading his royalty statements.

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Yeah, you would kind of think that any time he started feeling unloved he'd go down to the bank and roll in his money until he felt better. I mean, if *I* made millions from selling books I wouldn't care if some people somewhere had once thought I wasn't a real writer.

It comes across as insecure, you know?

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Well, I'm not sure Larry has "millions" to roll around in. His latest book sold 6,100 copies in hard cover (see http://www.jasonsanford.com/blog/2015/4/yes-people-do-read-the-novels-up-for-the-hugo-and-nebula-awards.) Now, that understates sales by 40% and doesn't cover ebooks, etc., but I suspect he's making around $100,000 / year or so. Still good money but a bit shy of a million.

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Wow, the way he talks I thought it was more than that. But fifty thousand or so would still make a nice pile to roll in, don't you think? You'd probably want to crumple the bills a bit to make it softer...

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Well, on the one hand I've seen the Sad Puppies standing in a big circle and assuring each other from their respective blogs that everyone thought they weren't "real fans" after a post on File 770 saying basically "you're a fan if you do fannish things; nobody's going to keep you out." So I know from experience they can misinterpret stuff and blow one person not kissing their feet assiduously enough up into the whole world hating them.

On the other hand I accentuate the positive in many of my blog posts too, so it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that he was unhappy at the time.

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I am honestly going with this as the sequence of events:

2011 Renovation - had an OK time, bummed at losing to a guy in a tiara... did you pick up the subtle, 'real men don't wear tiaras dig'

2012 Chicon - did get a nomination... was upset at that, really pissed at what won... decided that if 'schilling' is good enough for Scalzi, he could do it

2013 - Not only not on the ballot but REDSHIRTS WON! BENGSCALZI!!! Obviously the fix is in, so he tried harder with SP #2

2014 - Got on the ballot... got beaten.... Now it's obviously the damn LIBARULS! He was beaten by some weird feminazi junk.

2015 - time to really screw with the SJWs... except he passed to Brad, who tried to be his usual Sealion self (love that term), except actually Ted Beale hijacks it and now he's associated with that toxic mess.

Much spinning later, especially after being attacked, as he sees it by GRRM, he creates a narrative to show he's the victim.

Like with a plane crash, its never one thing that brings planes down but a sequence of events.

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Not only did I pick up on the "real men don't wear tiaras" thing, I didn't think it was particularly subtle. Nor was I impressed by his failure to realize that a Campbell tiara makes at least as much sense as a Hugo Nominee tie-tack.

Correia didn't get a Hugo nom in 2012--perhaps you're thinking of Torgersen?

Brad's next-to-latest post with him being dragged away to a gulag was... well, weird. Is that really how he sees the world?

I think Correia bailed on his most recent slate nomination because he didn't want to be associated with Vox Day. He's hoping if he doesn't remind us that he taught Vox the power of slates *and* gave Vox his first proof-of-concept demonstration we'll assume he had nothing to do with what Vox is up to.

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The problem is, Corriea and Torgersen really want Hugos. If they didn't, none of this bullshit would be happening.

But yes, cuddling up to VD is like spooning with a porcupine, and three or four years of not handing out awards will greatly dent the value of a Hugo. (One or two years is survivable.) Torgersen's finally figured out that VD's goal is to torch the Hugos, and from reading his own comment threads some of Sad Puppies are bringing matches and gasoline.

Unfortunately, neither man can say "I was wrong." They just can't.

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Yes, I watched Tom Kratman descending to actual real-world threats and thought Brad was a bit out of his depth.

Of course they can't say "I was wrong." They come from a tradition where changing your mind is a visible sign that you are not fit to lead. Instead, when things to pear-shaped it will be "look what you made me do!"

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Well, Brad's inability to even lightly moderate his own comment thread is amazing.

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Holy fuck... wow. That thread is special.

I'm still not sure Brad can be quite as clueless as he comes across...

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I must say your ability to take that crap so well astounds me Chris :)

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The Navy hardened me ...

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Colour me surprised.

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I actually meant to say 'didn't' there - I'll fix it.

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